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Post by LOWA » 5. Dec 2005, 13:35

Wie reif sind der A350 und die Boeing 787?

Trotz Grossbestellungen für die Boeing 777 durch die Fluggesellschaft Emirates sind an der Dubai Air Show in der vorletzten Novemberwoche die längst erwarteten Aufträge für den Airbus A350 und die Boeing 787 (noch) nicht zustande gekommen. Die Airlines am Golf stellen einige kritische Fragen zur technischen Reife der neuen Jets.

Vordergründig war die Dubai Air Show vom 20. bis zum 24. November ein Anlass der Rekorde. Mit Aufträgen im Wert von rund 20 Milliarden Dollar ist das Niveau der letzten Veranstaltung auf das Vierfache gewachsen. Noch nie hatte eine Fluggesellschaft so viele Boeing 777 wie Emirates auf einmal bestellt. Bestaunt werden konnte gleichzeitig, wie viel sich die indischen Fluggesellschaften vorgenommen haben und in welchen Mengen sie konsequenterweise Flugzeuge bestellen. Angesichts all der Milliardenabschlüsse liess sich auch Airbus nicht zweimal bitten und beklebte den für die Flugvorführungen eingeflogenen Airbus A380 erstmals mit dem Emirates-Logo.

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Doch das eigentlich Erstaunliche an der diesjährigen Dubai Air Show war, was alles nicht passierte. Weder Emirates noch Qatar Airways, noch Etihad kündigten die erwarteten Bestellungen an, um die Airbus und Boeing mit ihren neuen Langstreckenjets A350 und 787 seit Monaten ringen. Was Qatar Airways angeht, konnte sich Airbus-Verkaufschef John Leahy noch gelassen geben, denn der Vertrag über den Kauf von 60 A350 sollte bis Jahresende wohl im Trockenen sein. Bei Etihad gibt es schon ein bisschen mehr Anlass zur Sorge, denn es scheint, dass der Expansionsdrang der Airline Abu Dhabis für den Moment ins Stocken gerät. Richtig aufhorchen sollten aber Leahy und sein Boeing-Kollege Scott Carson bei der Begründung, warum Emirates weder bei der 787 noch dem A350 zugeschlagen hat.

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Emirates-Chef Tim Clark will sich nämlich noch Zeit lassen mit der Entscheidung. Zwar sieht die Fluggesellschaft einen Bedarf von mehr als 50 Maschinen in der Kategorie, aber Clark findet, dass vor allem Airbus noch eine Menge Entwicklungsarbeit an dem A350 leisten muss. Dem einflussreichen Airline-Manager kommt der Sinneswandel bei Airbus zu plötzlich. Noch vor einem Jahr, so Clark, habe Airbus vehement für eine nur leicht modifizierte Version des A330-200 geworben und gegen den Einsatz von neuen Materialien argumentiert, weil dieser nicht nötig sei.

Nachdem die Airlines dieser Auffassung nicht gefolgt waren, war Airbus zur Kehrtwende gezwungen. Der Hersteller argumentiere jetzt ziemlich genau in die entgegengesetzte Richtung. Der A350 sei im Wesentlichen ein neues Flugzeug und erreiche seine Vorteile gegenüber der Konkurrenz vor allem durch den Einsatz neuer Materialien - mehr Faserverbundwerkstoffe und moderne Legierungen. Es bestehe die reale Gefahr, dass Airbus mit einem nicht ausgereiften Produkt auf den Markt dränge, nur um Boeing mit der 787 - die etwa ein Jahr Vorsprung in der Entwicklung hat - wieder einzuholen. Beide Hersteller sollten sich stattdessen ein bisschen mehr Zeit nehmen, statt nur auf die schnellen kommerziellen Erfolge zu schielen.

Dabei ist Clark über die Ansätze voll des Lobes. Die Industrie sei daran gewöhnt, Effizienzverbesserungen von 3 bis 5 Prozent gut zu finden. Nun sei plötzlich von 20 Prozent geringerem Treibstoffverbrauch und 40 Prozent geringeren Stückkosten die Rede. Für den Emirates-Chef gleichen solche Errungenschaften einem Durchbruch in ein neues Zeitalter für die Zivilluftfahrt. Weil die beiden konkurrierenden Modelle als technologische Basis für künftige Flugzeuge wie die Nachfolger der 737 und des A320 dienen werden, sei es umso wichtiger, dass Airbus und Boeing sorgfältig arbeiten.

Ein weiterer wichtiger Airbus-Kunde in der Region, Etihad Airways, hat derzeit viel mit sich selbst zu tun. Der Posten des CEO ist jüngst neu besetzt worden - durch den Österreicher Robert Strodel, der bisher die Frachtabteilung der neuen Fluggesellschaft geleitet hat. Nach der Ernennung mussten Flugbetriebsleiter Werner Borchert und mit ihm gleich eine Reihe von Mitarbeitern den Hut nehmen - in einer Phase, da die Fluggesellschaft quasi monatlich neue Flugzeuge übernimmt. Eine kleine Atempause hat lediglich der jüngste Streik bei Boeing gebracht, durch den die Auslieferung von mehreren Boeing 777 ins Jahr 2006 gerutscht ist.

Den Luftfahrtboom in den Golfstaaten und in Indien spüren aber nicht nur die beiden grossen Hersteller. Der Turboprop-Produzent ATR, der in den vergangenen Jahren nur eine geringe Zahl von neuen Aufträgen verzeichnen konnte, profitiert von Sonderregeln, die für Indiens Inlandverkehr gelten. Die stark expandierenden privaten Fluggesellschaften müssen, wenn sie die Genehmigung für nachfragestarke Strecken bekommen wollen, auch im Regionalgeschäft einsteigen. Jet Airways fliegt schon seit Jahren mit ATR-Maschinen auf Sekundär- und Tertiär-Strecken; jetzt hat auch Kingfisher Airlines 20 Flugzeuge des Typs bestellt.

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Quelle: Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Druckausgabe vom 05. 12. 2005
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Post by N5528P » 6. Dec 2005, 22:52

Geoffrey Thomas von ATW wrote:Boeing appears to have inside track on Qantas order
Tuesday December 6, 2005

Boeing appears to be ahead by a nose in the intense battle for a $15 billion, 100-plus-aircraft order from Qantas pitting its 787 and 777 against Airbus's A350 and A340. The Qantas board will make a selection at its Wednesday meeting, with an announcement expected before the Australian Stock Exchange opens the following day. Boeing's pitch has been helped by Cathay Pacific's order for the 777-300ER (ATWOnline, Dec. 2) and the recently announced 1.4% improvement in that aircraft's fuel burn.

While the 777-200LR appears to be a winner over the A340-500 for the ultra-long-range hub-busting mission, the race for the larger order between the 787 and A350 is much closer. It is possible that the carrier will split the deal, with A350s being taken by Jetstar International, which Qantas wants to develop into a long-haul, low-cost carrier.

In an interview with ABC TV in Australia, Qantas CEO Geoff Dixon said Jetstar International eventually might grow to represent 20% of the company's flying, operating to destinations within 8-10 hr. of Australia, Reuters reported. It is unclear what effect this would have on existing low-fare international brand Australian Airlines, which operates five 767-300s in 13 low-yield leisure markets. Qantas recently announced that Australian will introduce a premium economy product in mid-2006 and is taking over the Cairns-Tokyo route next year (ATWOnline, Nov. 30).
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Post by N5528P » 11. Dec 2005, 13:34

Airwise wrote:Qantas Delays Fleet Decision
December 8, 2005

Qantas Airways has delayed a decision on a fleet renewal plan, but it approved an international expansion for its discount carrier Jetstar.

Qantas said on Thursday its board would hold a special meeting on December 14, where it was expected to approve purchases of up to AUD$20 billion (USD$15 billion) of more fuel-efficient aircraft.

"The meeting is expected to discuss and approve major aircraft purchases, including new aircraft for Jetstar's international operations," Chief Executive Geoff Dixon said.

Observers said the delay by Qantas could mean that intense competition between Boeing and Airbus to win the deal might result in better prices for Qantas.

It has been a record year for Boeing and Airbus with orders of more than USD$100 billion recorded this year, boosted on Monday when Airbus won a USD$10 billion deal to supply 150 single-aisle passenger jets to China.

Airlines have been investing heavily, driven by high fuel prices, new more fuel-efficient models and global economic growth. China's economy is booming, while the OECD is forecasting economic growth of 2.9 percent in 2006 and 2007 across its 30 member countries as a whole after 2.7 percent this year.

Singapore Airlines is also considering buying up to 70 wide-bodied planes for its fleet, industry officials say, in a deal that could be worth up to USD$10 billion in sales for the winning aircraft manufacturer.

Qantas' domestic budget carrier, Jetstar, would start flying to international destinations within six to 10 hours of Australia by January 2007, and its initial route structure, involving point-to-point travel to Asian and Pacific cities, would require 10 aircraft, Dixon said.

"Subsequent expansion will see Jetstar undertake two-stage flying to European and other destinations," Dixon said in the statement, adding that Jetstar would focus on leisure routes.

Within five years, the domestic and international operations of Jetstar would have a total of 60 narrow and wide-bodied aircraft, Dixon said.

But a key competitor questioned the Qantas discount strategy.

"Historically, setting up a long-haul, low-cost carrier does not work," said Richard Branson, chairman of full-service, long-haul carrier Virgin Atlantic, in Sydney. "Unless you can capture the business traveler, you just can't offer lower fares."

Qantas' latest fleet investment plan is in addition to the AUD$18 billion it budgeted for fleet renewal between 2000-2010.

Qantas has already ordered 12 A380 super-jumbo aircraft, with options for 10 more, to service routes between Australia and the United States and Britain. It also has been taking delivery of Boeing 737-800s to increase this fleet to 33 by the end of 2005.

Jetstar, which competes with low-cost rival Virgin Blue, is already moving to an all A320-200 fleet of 23 177-seat aircraft by mid-2006, replacing 14 Boeing 717-200 planes which carry up to 125 passengers.
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TAM bestellt A350

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Airwise wrote:Brazil's TAM Orders 10 Airbus A350s
December 21, 2005

Brazilian airline TAM Linhas Aereas said on Wednesday it placed a firm order for 10 Airbus A350-900 passenger jets, becoming the first carrier in Latin America to buy the new plane.

The deal, which also includes an option for five more aircraft, could be worth than USD$2.4 billion if all options are exercised, according to the list price. Deliveries are scheduled to begin in 2012.

TAM, a longtime Airbus customer, said it intends to use the new aircraft to renew its fleet. The airline currently has 56 Airbus jets in its fleet, including the A330-200, which seats 213 passengers. The A350-900 will be configured in a three-class layout, seating up to 300 people.
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Post by N5528P » 27. Dec 2005, 17:47

Ein großes Vorhaben, besonders wenn man daran denkt, das die Flieger Aeroflot doppelt teuer kommen.

Airwise wrote:Aeroflot To Buy Boeing 787s - Report
December 27, 2005

Flagship Russian carrier Aeroflot, which tendered for long-haul aircraft in July, wants to buy 22 Boeing planes worth more than USD$2.5 billion, business dailies Kommersant and Vedomosti reported on Tuesday.

Kommersant quoted sources at the airline as saying a contract could be signed in March. It said Aeroflot had recently amended the tender and could buy as many as 28 aircraft instead of 22.

Vedomosti quoted Aeroflot sources as saying the company had decided in favor of the Boeing 787 aircraft.

Deputy General Director Igor Desyatnichenko said in October the airline would decide soon on whether to opt for the Boeing 787 or rival Airbus in the long-haul category.

State-controlled Aeroflot is updating its fleet and wants the planes from 2009. It recently approved the lease of five Airbus A320 airliners, and has said it would also buy seven A321s.

Aeroflot also plans to replace its outdated Tu-134 planes with foreign-made used aircraft. Starting from 2008, Aeroflot intends to buy 30 planes for its regional routes.

The government has promised to ease import restrictions on some Boeing and Airbus models after Russia's flagship Ilyushin-96-300 passenger plane disrupted a trip by President Vladimir Putin, raising concerns about the safety of domestic passenger planes.

Russia grounded all Il-96-300 planes in August for repairs, lifting the ban in October.
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Post by N5528P » 3. Jan 2006, 13:50

Angeblich hat sich Bangkok Airways für sechs A350 entschieden um ab 2012 Flüge nach Europa anbieten zu können.

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Post by N5528P » 8. Jan 2006, 22:36

BBC News wrote:BMW to co-design Airbus interior
German carmaker BMW has confirmed it is to help Airbus design the interior of the aircraft-maker's new A350 jet.

Set to start service in 2010, the A350 will be the European firm's new mid-sized, long-distance aircraft, designed to rival Boeing's Dreamliner.

While BMW and Airbus declined to give any details, German reports say the carmaker will help the aircraft-maker improve passenger comfort.

The Dreamliner, due in 2008, has 185 orders so far, 136 more than the A350.

State-aid row
Airbus, 80% owned by Franco-German EADS and 20% by the UK's BAE Systems, expects the A350 to cost 4.35bn euros (£3bn) to develop.

It will be able to seat either 253 or 300 passengers, depending upon the specific model.

Back in October, Airbus announced it was to turn down at least the first year of possible European Union support for the A350 to ease an ongoing dispute with US Boeing.

Both accuse the other of using illegal state aid to subsidise their operations and thus enjoy an unfair commercial advantage.
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Post by drobi » 8. Jan 2006, 23:49

Wenn BMW die Finger im Spiel hat, bleibt nur zu hoffen, dass aus dem A350 kein Dönerbomber wird...

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Post by N5528P » 26. Feb 2006, 00:06

DIe B787 wächst...

02/21/2006
Airlines cramming more seats into Boeing's Dreamliner
SINGAPORE (Reuters) — Airlines are choosing to cram more seats into Boeing's hot-selling new 787 Dreamliner than the company expected, giving the plane a potentially decisive advantage over its Airbus rival.

Senior Boeing sales executive Randy Baseler said typical seating in the 787-9 version of the aircraft would rise to about 280 from 259 if airlines switched to having nine seats per row in economy class rather than eight as Boeing had expected. Two-thirds of 787 buyers have decided to fit nine seats in each row in economy, executives from the Chicago-based manufacturer said at the Singapore air show on Tuesday.

In doing so, they have improved the ratio that is the Holy Grail of aircraft economics: the cost per seat on each flight. "When we initially started to bring the 787 to the market we felt the market would be for eight abreast and more comfort" than earlier planes, Boeing's sales manager for the project, Marty Bentrott, told reporters. "But 65% of our customers are going for nine abreast, and we think that (ratio) will probably go up."

The 787 is due to enter service in 2008 and is competing against the A350, which Airbus launched in response.

While the narrower seats will disappoint travelers who had hoped the 787 would take another step towards giving economy travelers a little more room — at eight abreast, the seats will be 48 cm (19 inches) wide, compared with 44 cm (17.2 inches) in the 1960s-designed 747 — the greater seating gives Boeing a big lift in its battle against the A350.

The A350 is constrained by its narrower fuselage, which is based on a 1960s design, although a little extra width has been found by thinning the walls. Its predecessor, the A330, is rarely fitted with nine-abreast seats.

"The surprising popularity of nine-abreast seating in the 787 could turn out to be decisive," said Gerard Frawley, editor of industry monthly Australian Aviation. Aircraft and aero-engine makers struggle for every tenth of a percent of aircraft efficiency, but Boeing's figures suggest costs per seat could fall by a whopping 7.5% if airlines opt for the tighter seating format.

Baseler said that while Boeing had originally expected the roomier seating arrangement to be popular, the 787 cabin had been sized precisely to fit nine 747-size economy seats. "Some airlines found passengers were not willing to pay for more space," he told Reuters.
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Post by N5528P » 10. Apr 2006, 16:22

ORF.at wrote:Airbus bestätigt Kritik von Kunden am A350
Der Flugzeughersteller Airbus erwägt Veränderungen an seinem künftigen Langstreckenjet A350, um den Bedürfnissen der Kunden stärker entgegenzukommen. Der Chef des zum Luft- und Raumfahrtkonzern EADS gehörenden Unternehmens, Gustav Humbert, räumte heute in Toulouse ein, es habe Kritik von Kunden an dem Konzept für das Modell gegeben.

"Ich möchte bemerken, dass Airbus seinen Kunden zuhört. ... Wir sind bereit, besondere Anstrengungen zu unternehmen, um auf ihre Erwartungen zu reagieren", sagte er.

Zuletzt hatten große Kunden Medienberichten zufolge Veränderungen am Konzept für den Langstreckenjet oder gar einen Verzicht auf das Modell gefordert, das nicht so einen starken Zulauf hat wie das künftige Boeing-Konkurrenzmodell 787 "Dreamliner".
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Post by N5528P » 13. Apr 2006, 09:44

Ein paar Bilder von der Kabine des A350 - iPod lässt grüßen!

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Post by Eule » 13. Apr 2006, 09:47

Mich erinnern solche Bilder immer an die Zeiten der Titanic ...
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Post by LOWA » 19. May 2006, 13:22

Der Langstreckenjet A350 soll ein ganz neues Flugzeug werden

chs. PARIS, 18. Mai. Airbus arbeitet unter Hochdruck an einer neuen Version des Langstreckenflugzeuges A350. Dabei wird es voraussichtlich zu einer großen Lösung kommen, die zu einem weitgehend neuen Flugzeug führt, wie aus Konzernkreisen verlautet. Kleinere Überholungsarbeiten, wie sie zunächst vorgesehen waren, erscheinen aufgrund des Erwartungsdrucks der Kunden heute nicht mehr möglich. Etliche Fluggesellschaften haben Mängel an der ursprünglichen Version des A350 moniert, denn sie würde dem Vergleich mit dem erfolgreichen Konkurrenz-Modell Boeing 787 nicht standhalten.

Der Kurswechsel ist das Eingeständnis von gleich zwei Fehlern auf seiten von Airbus, die aus der Unterschätzung der Konkurrenz durch Boeing resultierten. Vor zwei Jahren nannte der damalige Airbus-Chef Noël Forgeard die Boeing 787 noch abfällig eine "chinesische Kopie" des Airbus A330. So brauchte der europäische Flugzeugbauer zunächst zu lange, um sich überhaupt zum Bau des A350 aufzuraffen, und als er dies im Oktober 2005 getan hatte, holte er nicht weit genug aus. Der amtierende Airbus-Chef Gustav Humbert räumte auf der Internationalen Luftfahrtausstellung in Berlin in dieser Woche ein, die Boeing 787 vor zwei Jahren unterschätzt zu haben. Kritiker machen dafür vor allem den damaligen Airbus-Chef Forgeard verantwortlich, der die Ressourcen vor allem auf den Riesenflieger A380 konzentrierte. Humbert nahm sich aber von der Kritik nicht aus, weil er damals immerhin die Nummer zwei im Unternehmen war.

Die neue Version des A350 wird voraussichtlich 2012 und nicht wie bisher geplant 2010 auf den Markt kommen. Ihre Entwicklungskosten könnten sich auf 8 Milliarden Euro verdoppeln, glauben manche Luftfahrtexperten. Eine neue Version hätte den Vorteil, daß sie treibstoffsparender und größer sein könnte. EADS-Kochef Forgeard plauderte auf der ILA neue Details des Flugzeuges aus: Es könnte auch in einer Version mit 375 Sitzen angeboten werden statt wie bisher geplant nur für 250 bis 300 Passagiere. A370 könnte es heißen, und die Fertigungstiefe von Airbus müsse drastisch verringert werden, damit die Kosten unter Kontrolle blieben. Mit diesen konkreten Angaben überrumpelte Forgeard seinen Nachfolger Humbert, der bisher die Devise ausgegeben hatte, eine Entscheidung über den A350 falle erst im Sommer, wenn der Aufsichtsrat zustimme. Einmal mehr sind damit die deutsch-französischen Dissonanzen bei EADS laut zu hören. Humbert zeigte sich in Berlin offen verärgert über das Vorpreschen des EADS-Kochefs. Er räumte indes ein, daß Airbus nun den A350 und den unpopulären A340 gleichzeitig überdenken werde. Auch dies spricht für eine komplett neue Version des A350. Denn nur ein neues Flugzeug mit breiterem Rumpf und neuen Tragflächen könnte auch A340 ersetzen. Damit würde Airbus zwei Fliegen mit einer Klappe schlagen. Boeing dagegen kann mit seiner 787 nicht über 300 Sitze hinausgehen, weil das Unternehmen damit sein ebenfalls erfolgreiches Modell 777 kannibalisieren würde. "Weil sich der A340 nicht gut verkauft, hat Airbus dieses Problem nicht", bemerkte kürzlich Charles Armitage, Luftfahrt-Analyst bei Merrill Lynch. Er verspricht sich viel vom neuen A350, denn ausgestattet mit einem ausreichenden Budget könne Airbus die technologische Führung in diesem Segment zurückgewinnen.

Etliche Analysten spekulieren seit geraumer Zeit auf eine Generalüberholung des A350 und haben ihre Kaufempfehlungen angehoben. Finanziell sollen Airbus und seine Muttergesellschaft dazu in der Lage sein. 4,2 bis 5,2 Milliarden Euro zwischen 2007 und 2011 auszugeben - den Rest sollen die Zulieferer tragen - sei machbar, meint Armitage. Dies belaufe sich auf zusätzliche Forschungs- und Entwicklungskosten von jährlich rund 1 Milliarde Euro in diesem Zeitraum. Die mögliche staatliche Finanzierungshilfe von einem Drittel der Kosten, gegen die aber Boeing vor der Welthandelsorganisation heftig ankämpft, ist da noch gar nicht eingerechnet. Trotz der günstigeren Analysten-Empfehlungen hat die EADS-Aktie in den vergangenen fünf Tagen fast zehn Prozent an Wert verloren, was allerdings auch auf die allgemeinen Kursverluste der europäischen Börsen zurückzuführen war.

Politisch ist EADS derzeit nicht nur durch die "Clearstream"-Affäre um angebliche Schwarzgeldkonten in schweres Fahrwasser geraten, sondern in Frankreich auch durch die Schließung eines Standortes der Tochtergesellschaft Sogerma, die hohe Verluste schreibt. Die Regierung hat die Schließung bei Mérignac offen kritisiert, obwohl sie durch den Entzug eines Auftrages des Verteidigungsministeriums selbst dazu beigetragen hat.


Quelle: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung vom 19.05.2006
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Post by N5528P » 25. May 2006, 21:02

Focus wrote:Lufthansa kritisiert Airbus und Boeing
Flottenmanager fordert Überarbeitung der Langstreckenjets A350 und Boeing 787

München. Die Lufthansa ist unzufrieden mit den jüngsten Produkten ihrer Lieferanten Airbus und Boeing. Wie das Nachrichtenmagazin FOCUS berichtet, fordert die Airline Korrekturen an den Langstreckenjets A350 und B787. Die A350, die 2010 auf den Markt kommen soll, fliegt nach Einschätzung des Leiters Flottenmanagement bei Lufthansa, Nico Buchholz, nicht weit genug: „Wir hätten gern zwischen 1000 und 2000 Kilometer mehr Reichweite“, sagte Buchholz FOCUS. Am Konkurrenzprodukt 787 von Boeing, das ab 2008 zum Einsatz kommen soll, kritisierte er die zu geringe Zahl an Sitzplätzen: „Die 787 ist bislang etwas kleiner als unsere A340-300. Wir hätten sie gern gleich groß für ebenso viele Passagiere.“

Angesichts der Kritik von Lufthansa sieht Luftfahrtexperte Frank Skodzik von der Investmentbank WestLB Panmure „ernste Probleme“ auf Airbus zukommen. „Die A350 ist, anders als der Rivale Boeing 787, kein neu konstruiertes Flugzeug, sondern eine Weiterentwicklung der A330. Deshalb bleiben die Bestellungen weit hinter den Erwartungen zurück“, sagte der Düsseldorfer Analyst.

Der Boeing-Verkaufschef für Verkehrsflugzeuge, Scott Carson, äußerte in FOCUS Zweifel an der Airbus-Prognose für den künftigen Bedarf an Großraumjets. „Ich glaube nicht, dass der Markt rund 1500 Flugzeuge der Jumbogröße braucht. Wir haben von der Boeing 747 seit 1968 etwa 1320 Stück gebaut. Ich halte es für wenig wahrscheinlich, dass sich der Markt in den nächsten zehn bis 15 Jahren verdoppelt.“ Laut Carson verzeichnet Boeing eine wachsende Nachfrage nach der Langversion des „Dreamliner“, der 787-10: „Emirates kam als erste Kunde für die 787-10 auf uns zu. Inzwischen haben etwa zehn Fluggesellschaften Interesse gezeigt.“ Für den überarbeiteten „Jumbo-Jet“, die B747-8, soll 2006 den Durchbruch am Markt bringen. „Wir erwarten, dass dieses Jahr der erste Kunde für die Passagierversion unterschreibt“, sagte der Manager des US-Flugzeugbauers.
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Post by N5528P » 8. Jun 2006, 13:03

Die Chicago Tribune wrote:Continental to buy 34 Boeing jets
June 7, 2006

Continental Airlines Inc. said Tuesday that it has ordered 34 airplanes, with a list price of $3 billion, from Chicago-based Boeing Co. to increase its ability to serve long-haul routes and remove gas-guzzling planes from its fleet.

Chairman and Chief Executive Larry Kellner said the Houston-based airline plans to expand its passenger-carrying capacity 5 percent to 7 percent per year.

Continental said it was ordering 10 more Boeing 787 Dreamliner jets, doubling its previous orders. That would make it the largest U.S. buyer of Boeing's latest wide-body jet, which is scheduled to go into service in 2008, a Boeing spokesman said.

The airline also ordered 24 more Boeing 737s and will have 213 next-generation 737s when all the planes it has ordered are delivered.

Continental didn't disclose how much it will pay for the 34 planes. The jets would have a total price tag of about $3 billion based on current list prices, but airlines rarely pay sticker price when placing large orders.

Continental has been ordering more fuel-efficient aircraft for the past several years, believing this would give it an advantage over rivals whose planes use more costly jet fuel.

Separately, Boeing said it will bid again for a contract to build sensors for a new weather-satellite system, after the Air Force canceled the original award amid rising costs.

The cost of the program increased by 66 percent, to $13.8 billion, primarily because of "technical challenges" in developing sensors and subsystems, the Defense Department said in April. The rising costs triggered a review that led to the decision to drop Boeing's sensor, the Air Force said.
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Post by N5528P » 12. Jun 2006, 20:07

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James Wallace vom Seattle Post-Intelligencer wrote:Bubbles in fuselage a hitch in FAA certification for 787
Glitch won't sidetrack program, Boeing says

Friday, June 9, 2006

A final composite fuselage section that was to be used in certifying The Boeing Co.'s 787 Dreamliner failed during manufacturing, sending engineers scrambling to keep the company's all-important new jetliner program on schedule.

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A cross section of the Dreamliner's composite fuselage, which will be made by Boeing's partners in South Carolina, Wichita, Kan., and in Italy. The wings will be made in Japan.

Mike Bair, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, said in an interview Thursday that the failure will not sidetrack the program, and the first planes should still be delivered on time to All Nippon Airways of Japan in mid-2008.

But the problem -- first reported by Business Week -- shows the kinds of risks that Boeing faces at a time when the 787 program is entering a critical stage and the manufacturing and production system must work as advertised. The first flight of the new jet is expected late next year.

The 787 will have a composite airframe, including the fuselage -- a first for commercial jets. Boeing cannot afford any major snags in proving the technology to the Federal Aviation Administration and other regulatory agencies if the plane is to enter airline service on schedule. Boeing has not been specific about the actual delivery date, but sources say All Nippon Airways is supposed to take delivery of the first planes in May 2008.

"We know what happened," Bair said. "We learned some things as a result, which is part of what this whole process is about. We know what we have to do to support our certification plan." To develop, refine and prove new manufacturing processes needed for the Dreamliner, Boeing and its partners have been producing composite fuselage test barrels since late 2004 at the company's developmental center, the same facility that in the late 1960s was used for work on Boeing's supersonic transport before it was killed by Congress. The center is near the south end of Boeing Field.

Eight barrels were produced there without significant problems. "Those eight barrels performed as predicted," Bair said. The failure came on the ninth, and what was supposed to be the final, fuselage barrel. Testing of that barrel was to have provided the data Boeing supplies the FAA as part of the 787 certification process. A commercial jetliner must be certified before it is allowed to carry passengers.

Ultrasonic testing found it was too porous -- too many bubbles were in the composite material after the fuselage section came out of an autoclave in April, Bair said. It took engineers more than a month to fully understand the issue. Commercial jetliners have traditionally been made out of aluminum. For the fuselage, this requires pieces of aluminum held together by thousands of rivets. The composite fuselage barrels of the 787, however, are made in one large piece. They are the largest composite pressure vessels ever made. The barrel that had the bubble problem was the largest that Boeing had made yet -- about 33 feet long.

The manufacturing process involves laying down carbon fiber material on a huge mold. That mold, or mandrel, is mounted on a tool that rotates the barrel as the plastic carbon fiber tape is applied. The structure is then wrapped and placed in a huge autoclave oven for curing. While in the autoclave, the barrel is under enormous pressure, which essentially squeezes the layers of composite material together.

Every composite part that is cooked this way has a certain level of "porosity" that is acceptable, Bair said. "You can't get it perfect." But testing of the ninth barrel showed its porosity level made the barrel unacceptable, he said. The bubbles might have made the structure too weak, he said. The problem was a "subtle condition" and could not have been spotted by someone simply looking at the barrel.

The problem was the mandrel, Bair said. It was built some time ago and was too big. The mandrel changes size as it is heated in the autoclave and this must be taken into account when the fuselage barrel is made. Some of the material on this mandrel had been machined off to get it back to the proper size, Bair said, but as a result there were places that leaked. That's why too many bubbles formed during the curing.

Bair said engineers knew there was some risk of this happening. "We made a judgment that we could make this work," Bair said. "It turned out we didn't." By making two more test barrels, Bair said, engineers can do the required certification testing on both barrels at the same time and keep to the schedule.

"It would have been nice had it worked out because now we are going to have to do some extra work," Bair said. "But it's not that big of a deal. It caused us a little stress while we worked our way through this, but that's what these new airplane programs are -- stressful." Bair said he would characterize the problem as not untypical of what can happen on an all-new commercial jetliner program.

With the 787, Boeing is attempting what has never been done before on a commercial jetliner program. Its key partners are making the one-piece composite fuselage sections and the composite wings. Those sections will be flown to Boeing's Everett plant in a modified 747 freighter for final assembly of the 787 in only a few days.

The fuselage barrels will be made by Boeing's partners in South Carolina, Wichita, Kan., and in Italy. The composite wings will be made in Japan.
Wichita is making the 787 nose section. Bair said two test nose barrels made in Wichita so far have been "better than we had expected," even though they were not of flight quality. "But we did not expect them to be," he said.

Boeing's reputation is on the line with the 787 -- a plane that Boeing has been selling faster than any other jet in history. It already has more than 400 orders and commitments for the Dreamliner. "This program is operating in a fishbowl," Bair said. "Everybody is watching us."

P-I aerospace reporter James Wallace can be reached at 206-448-8040 or jameswallace@seattlepi.com.
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Post by N5528P » 18. Jun 2006, 16:01

Der ORF wrote:Nach A380: Auch Boeings "Dreamliner" verzögert sich
Nach Lieferverzögerungen beim Super-Airbus A380 drohen laut einem Zeitungsbericht nun auch beim "Dreamliner" des US-Konkurrenten Boeing Verzögerungen.

Bei Tests im Rumpfbereich des Flugzeugs vom 787 "Dreamliner" mit 250 bis 290 Sitzen seien Mängel aufgetreten, berichtete die "BusinessWeek" heute in ihrer Online-Ausgabe. Deshalb müsse Boeing nun mehr Rümpfe als geplant bauen und weitere Qualitäts- und Sicherheitsprüfungen machen.

Drohender Domino-Effekt
Da Boeing sich einen engen Zeitrahmen gesteckt habe, könnte eine Serie von Störungen leicht einen Domino-Effekt auslösen, hieß es weiter. Planmäßig sollen die Maschinen 2008 in Betrieb gehen. Erst vor wenigen Tagen hatte Singapore-Airlines (SIA) nach den angekündigten Lieferverzögerungen beim Super-Airbus A380 einen Milliardenauftrag für den US-Konkurrenten Boeing verkündet.

Zuvor musste Airbus den Zeitplan für die Auslieferung des größten Passagierflugzeuges der Welt wegen Fertigungs- und Installationsproblemen um sechs bis sieben Monate verschieben. Die EADS-Aktie verlor daraufhin ein Viertel ihres Wertes.
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Post by N5528P » 18. Jun 2006, 23:46

Der ORF erweitert den Bericht:

Der ORF wrote:Ernste Probleme mit "Dreamliner"
Schon tauchen Zweifel auf, ob Boeing das anfangs versprochene Flugzeug je liefern kann.

Nach Lieferverzögerungen beim Super-Airbus A380 drohen laut einem Zeitungsbericht nun auch bei der 787 "Dreamliner" des US-Konkurrenten Boeing Verzögerungen. Tests sollen gravierende Mängel im Rumpfbereich ergeben haben, berichtete die "Businessweek" am Sonntag. Offensichtlich ist beiden Firmen der Wettkampf um immer leichtere - und so im Verbrauch billigere - Flugzeuge zum Verhängnis geworden: Die Hülle des "Dreamliner" soll zum Großteil aus Fiberglas gebaut werden. Bisher bekommt Boeing die nötige Stabilität jedoch nicht hin.

Alles steht
Sowohl am Hauptstück des Rumpfes, in dem 250 bis 290 Sitze Platz finden sollen, als auch an den Flügeln seien Mängel aufgetreten, hieß es. Damit am Rest des Flugzeugs weiter gearbeitet werden kann, müssen jedoch zuerst die Spezifikationen dieser Teile fix sein. Dass nun Änderungen und weitere Tests an Rumpf und Flügeln nötig sind, könnte einen Domino-Effekt zur Folge haben: Vorerst steht die Entwicklung weiterer Teile still, die Verzögerungen breiten sich aus. Planmäßig sollen die Maschinen 2008 in Betrieb gehen.

Versprechen nicht zu halten?
Die "Businessweek" äußert jedoch bereits Zweifel daran, ob Boeing das versprochene Flugzeug überhaupt je liefern kann. Das geplante niedere Gewicht des Rumpfes werde sich etwa durch offensichtlich nötige Verstärkungen kaum halten lassen, wird angeführt. Vor allem werden die nunmehrigen Probleme jedoch als grundsätzlicher taktischer Fehler interpretiert - und damit hat auch Gegner Airbus keinen Grund zur Schadenfreude: Beide Luftfahrtriesen setzten im Konkurrenzkampf auf durchaus ähnliche Mittel.

Wo die Fehler gemacht wurden
Durch den ökonomischen Druck habe Boeing den Terminplan des Projekts viel zu knapp bemessen, heißt es. Dass auch Airbus diesen Fehler gemacht hat, beweisen die jüngsten Turbulenzen. Außerdem rächt sich laut "Businessweek" nun, die Kosten ständig weiter drücken zu wollen. Boeing hat sich mit dem "Dreamliner" zum ersten Mal für eine extrem arbeitsteilige Herstellungsweise entschieden, wie sie auch Airbus praktiziert. Wurden bisher 49 Prozent eines Flugzeugs von Boeing selbst hergestellt, sind es beim "Dreamliner" nur noch 20 Prozent.

Ein Lehrstück
Die Probleme bei Boeing wirken fast wie ein Lehrstück über die Konsequenzen von Unternehmensstrategien in einer globalisierten Wirtschaft: Die vermeintlichen Einsparungen durch Outsourcing fallen der Firma später durch horrende Folgekosten wieder auf den Kopf. "Businessweek" berichtet von nicht miteinander zu synchronisierender Software verschiedener Firmen, Schreiduellen von Ingenieuren und Konkurrenzkämpfen dort, wo eigentlich alle an einem Strang ziehen sollten. Die Folge, wie auch bei Airbus: horrende Kosten.

Es bleibt in der Familie
Bleibt beiden Firmen als geringer Trost, dass das Geld letztlich "in der Familie bleibt": Erst vor wenigen Tagen hatte Singapore-Airlines (SIA) wegen der Lieferschwierigkeiten beim Super-Airbus A380 einen Milliardenauftrag für den US-Konkurrenten Boeing verkündet. Zuvor musste Airbus den Zeitplan für die Auslieferung des größten Passagierflugzeuges der Welt wegen Fertigungs- und Installationsproblemen um sechs bis sieben Monate verschieben. Die EADS-Aktie verlor daraufhin ein Viertel ihres Wertes.
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Post by N5528P » 18. Jun 2006, 23:49

Anbei auch der angesprichene Artikel von Newsweek:

Bewsweek wrote:The 787 Encounters Turbulence
Technical glitches and manufacturing woes could delay Boeing's breakthrough


For Boeing (BA ), the 787 Dreamliner, with its radical lightweight design, represents far more than a potentially juicy profit stream. Made from carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic, the aircraft is supposed to be the symbol of a new Boeing -- a visionary company that has transcended its recent ethical scandals, designed the most innovative commercial plane ever, and devised the most sophisticated manufacturing process in history to produce the aircraft. But as crucial deadlines loom, BusinessWeek has learned that Boeing's engineers are wrestling with several significant technical and production problems that could threaten the scheduled 2008 delivery of the jetliner.

At a time when Boeing has left itself with little margin for error, the wide-ranging series of glitches could create a domino effect if they aren't resolved quickly. The worst news: The fuselage section -- the big multi-part cylindrical barrel that encompasses the passenger seating area -- has failed in company testing. That's forcing Boeing to make more sections than planned, and to reexamine quality and safety concerns.

BUILDING TENSION
Elsewhere in the aircraft, suppliers are struggling to meet Boeing's exacting technological demands and ambitious production deadlines. Test versions of the nose section, for instance, were deemed unacceptable by Boeing. Software programs designed by a variety of manufacturers are having trouble talking to one another. And the overall weight of the airplane is still too high -- especially the single biggest part of the 787, the carbon-fiber wing. A light, strong plane is the big payoff for the huge technical risk Boeing is taking in crafting parts out of composites. Small wonder that as the entire Boeing team prepares to build the first airplane, tensions among engineers have erupted into shouting matches, say people familiar with the matter.

Technical glitches, missed deadlines, and stretched nerves are par for the course with new planes. But far more than a new plane is at stake. Boeing has undertaken a grand business experiment with the Dreamliner. In a bid to tap the best talent and hold down costs, the aerospace icon has engaged in extreme outsourcing, leaving it highly dependent on a far-flung supply chain that includes 43 "top-tier" suppliers on three continents. It is the first time Boeing has ever outsourced the most critical areas of the plane, the wing and the fuselage. About 80% of the Dreamliner is being fabricated by outside suppliers, vs. 51% for existing Boeing planes.

The Dreamliner's mounting challenges call into question whether such a radical business model can succeed, and whether the advantages of collaboration on such a scale are outweighed by the loss of logistical and design control. For Boeing in particular, it raises the question of whether the company is entering a danger zone that could result in a serious blow to its credibility. In the years since Boeing's epic production disaster in the late 1990s, the company has regained much of its reputation and the ground it had lost to European rival Airbus. The Dreamliner has been central to that remarkable revival, racking up a record 350 firm orders in two years. That has forced Airbus to rethink its midsize plane strategy.

There could also be large financial penalties for Boeing if problems result in big delays. With demand hot, the company is mulling whether to raise production rates after 2010 from seven to 10 airplanes a month, and possibly higher. Glitches in the new fuselage-making process could put that decision on hold, squeezing the potential peak revenue and operating profit. Boeing typically receives the major portion of its revenue when it delivers a finished airplane.

In an interview with BusinessWeek, Boeing 787 Vice-President Michael B. Bair acknowledged the various problems. But he insists the Dreamliner will enter service in 2008 as planned. "Yes, the last barrel failed," Bair says. "We knew it could happen. Did we wish it would happen? No." Bair adds that "everybody is struggling a bit and struggling to various degrees." He remains optimistic, if guardedly so, about meeting the 2008 deadline. "Right now, everything looks O.K. in terms of meeting our entry-into-service dates for the 787," Bair told reporters in a May 22 conference call. "But as you all know, new airplanes are really hard to do."

The last time Boeing staked its reputation on its production prowess, during the 1997-98 boom cycle, its factories tried to build too many planes too quickly and wound up having to make a disastrous shutdown of the assembly lines. The fallout cost Boeing $2.5 billion in delivery penalties and cost overruns, and nearly destroyed its reputation as the world's leading developer of commercial jets. Many believe the fierce internal rivalries between Boeing units at the time created a focus on getting results at any cost, and led to a long series of ethics scandals.

The first big sign of struggle with the 787 surfaced three weeks ago at Boeing's Developmental Center in south Seattle. That's when engineers discovered that worrisome bubbles were developing in the skin of the fuselage during the process of baking the plastic composite tape. Think of the operation as a massive wallpapering exercise. The "paper" is wide tape that's loosely woven from superstrong carbon fibers, then soaked in a honey-thick mixture of polymers. The gooey tapes are plastered on the inside of molds, and then cooked. The heat triggers a chemical reaction that turns the polymers into a hard, super-sturdy structure. The advantages of a carbon-fiber fuselage are enormous in saving weight, reducing costly inspection checks, and simplifying assembly of the plane.

But the main challenge is the sheer size of the fuselage sections. These require multiple layers of carbon-fiber tape to assure structural integrity. However, each added layer increases the likelihood of variations or flaws, say composite experts, such as bubbles on the skin. Bubbles could weaken the material and eventually cause cracks by allowing water to seep under the surface, then freeze up and expand at high altitudes, raising the possibility that the fuselage could crack under extreme conditions. Boeing says a defective mandrel -- or large mold that holds the shape during the taping process -- contributed to the failure of the barrel while it was baking. "Engineers are confident the problem will be fixed," says Bair.

Another trouble spot has been the effort at electronic integration. The Dreamliner will rely on electric power, rather than a more mechanical process, to signal the controls from the flight deck to the rest of the plane, thus reducing weight and complexity. But Boeing issued key specifications late to suppliers. That, combined with the fact that the software systems are not meshing smoothly, has delayed the integration effort.

What's more, suppliers such as Smiths Aerospace, Honeywell International, and Rockwell Collins are fierce competitors that have been corralled into being teammates on the 787 program. As each vendor struggled to get its software to talk to the others, competitive juices boiled, and partners turned into the hardened competitors they usually are. "I'm used to knowing who my enemy is every step of the way," says one supplier familiar with the matter. "But now I'm working with the enemy."

Bair acknowledges the communications problems -- and says that nobody inside Boeing thought building the 787 would be easy. After all, the company decided to bet on pushing the boundaries of the possible. "If everything was going perfect," he says, "it [would mean] you weren't trying hard enough."
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Post by N5528P » 9. Jul 2006, 10:48

James Wallace vom Seattle Post - Intelligencer wrote:Boeing customer cancels order for 787s
Thursday, July 6, 2006

(Editor's Note: This story has been altered. Primaris is the first U.S. airline to announce plans to buy the new Boeing 787 super-efficient jet; All Nippon Airways ordered 787s before Primaris. The headline on the original version of this story was incorrect.)

It was one of those airplane orders that Boeing and Airbus sometimes receive that look a little shaky from the start. But they look good on paper.

In October 2004, an upstart U.S. airline based in Las Vegas and calling itself Primaris announced its intentions to order 20 of The Boeing Co.'s new 7E7 jetliners -- the name of the plane at the time. Primaris, the first U.S. airline to commit to the plane, wanted a fleet configured for only business class.

But the order never became firm, and Primaris has never taken off as an airline, although it does operate one commercial jetliner. Wednesday, Boeing confirmed that it had reached an agreement with the backers of Primaris to cancel its commitment for what is now the 787.

Yvonne Leach, a spokeswoman for the 787 program, said the company and Primaris agreed that "it was the right time" to cancel the order. Boeing has 360 firm orders for the 787 Dreamliner plus an additional 43 commitments, without Primaris.

Mark Morris, president and founder of Primaris, said Wednesday in a telephone interview that he still loves the 787 and hopes to eventually get the plane into his fleet by leasing them. "We felt it was just best to start from scratch," he said.

At the time Primaris announced that it would order the 787s, it also said it would order 20 737-800s. That commitment has also been canceled, Morris said. It also had options -- now canceled -- to buy 40 more Boeing planes.
He said the airline is "getting close" to raising the investment money it needs to go forward with a large fleet of leased airplanes. "We need to get the final dollars in the bank and then go back to the negotiating table," he said.

Primaris paid Boeing a deposit to hold delivery positions starting in 2010 for the 787s. Primaris would have had to pay Boeing additional money to keep those delivery positions at a time when it needs cash, Morris said.
The airline will get back its deposit. Boeing, in turn, will now have those early delivery positions to help it sell more 787s. It could also give those Primaris spots to an existing customer.

The 787 is hot property these days, and airlines that want to order the plane can't get one until around 2011, even though the 787 is scheduled to enter service in May 2008. Boeing is looking at boosting production to get more planes to customers sooner. Singapore Airlines recently announced its intentions to order 20 787s, but those planes would not be delivered until 2011 and later, even though the airline might want them sooner. Singapore Airlines is one of Boeing's most important customers.

Morris, former boss of DHL Air Group, said previously that the airline had hoped to start with $200 million in capital, about 40 percent of that from equity investors. At one time, Primaris Airlines' only plane, a leased 757, was used to ferry the White House media corps. That jet now carries passengers between Miami and South America.

Primaris wants to become the Southwest Airlines for business travelers. The little-known airline was founded by a group of longtime airline-industry executives and politicians. It has an ambitious business plan to offer an all-business-class service between New York and other major cities.

Primaris already has obtained certification from both the Transportation Department and the Federal Aviation Administration. "The funding is not yet in place," Morris acknowledged Wednesday. "But we hope to make an announcement soon."

P-I aerospace reporter James Wallace can be reached at 206-448-8040 or jameswallace@seattlepi.com.

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